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The Word Of God

I am going to focus on Christianity in this article, more specifically the fundagelical [fundamentalist + evangelical] types, the ones that claim the bible is the one true word of god. Before I go into this article in earnest let me just state that there are many good people of all faiths, even people of no faith, so at the outset I am not ‘bashing’ all Christians or even all faiths.

Do I see a problem with faith? Well faith that leads one to believe the bible is the word of god, yes I have a problem with it and I will attempt to explain why. So if you will allow my to quote Matthew 11:15 from the King James Version of the bible,

He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Only in this case replace ears with eyes and hear with read.

Starting at the beginning in Genesis there are no less than 10 instances of incest in the first chapter. These range from the unsaid ‘begats’ from Adam and Eve‘s children to the daughters of Lot getting him drunk and seducing him not once but twice. Please understand that this is in the first chapter of ‘god’s word’. Through the Old, or first, testament we find that god’s word wants us to stone rebellious children, kill witches and warlocks, drive awls through the ears of humans we keep as slaves and many other barbaric practices. In answer to the objection that some are sure to raise that the Old testament was a different time and place, it was applicable to the culture of the time but not today I will say, thanks for explaining why the bible isn’t god’s inerrant and unchanging word.

Enough of the Old testament though, Christianity deals with the New testament, which version though remains a mystery. Enough Christians, I say too many, of the fundagelical persuasion don’t read the bible for much more than devotion. Pretty much they read snips here and there in a somewhat haphazard fashion while those same Christians will read a novel from cover to cover as a book is meant to be read. When you read in order there are certain inconsistencies that pop up all over the text and there are many differences between the gospels themselves.

Lets look at one inconstancy found in the book of John. John 2:1-11 says:

1 On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus‘ mother was there, 2 and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding. 3 When the wine was gone, Jesus’ mother said to him, “They have no more wine.” 4 “Woman, why do you involve me?” Jesus replied. “My hour has not yet come.” 5 His mother said to the servants, “Do whatever he tells you.”6 Nearby stood six stone water jars, the kind used by the Jews for ceremonial washing, each holding from twenty to thirty gallons. 7 Jesus said to the servants, “Fill the jars with water”; so they filled them to the brim.8 Then he told them, “Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet.”They did so, 9 and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside 10 and said, “Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now.” 11 What Jesus did here in Cana of Galilee was the first of the signs through which he revealed his glory; and his disciples put their faith in him.

Yet a few verses later in John 2:23 we read that

23 Now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Festival, many people saw the signs he was performing and believed in his name.

And then we come to John 4:46-54 and read

46 Once more he visited Cana in Galilee, where he had turned the water into wine. And there was a certain royal official whose son lay sick at Capernaum. 47 When this man heard that Jesus had arrived in Galilee from Judea, he went to him and begged him to come and heal his son, who was close to death. 48 “Unless you people see signs and wonders,” Jesus told him, “you will never believe.” 49 The royal official said, “Sir, come down before my child dies.”5 0 “Go,” Jesus replied, “your son will live.” The man took Jesus at his word and departed. 51 While he was still on the way, his servants met him with the news that his boy was living. 52 When he inquired as to the time when his son got better, they said to him, “Yesterday, at one in the afternoon, the fever left him.” 53 Then the father realized that this was the exact time at which Jesus had said to him, “Your son will live.” So he and his whole household believed. 54 This was the second sign Jesus performed after coming from Judea to Galilee.

Ok did anyone reading closely see anything “fishy”? First we had Jesus preforming his first miracle, then we had him performing many miracles and than in a feat of prestadigitation we are back to his second miracle. What the heck happened to the many inbetween the first and second. Is this really the inerrant word of god?

Sorry to pick on John but this article would be worthless without bringing up my all time favorite headscratching discrepancy in the New Testament. I can pretty much assure you that not a single Christian has ever noticed it but if they read this far they will never see the bible the same. In John chapters 13-17 in what can be called Jesus farewell to his disciples, we read in John 13:36

36 Simon Peter asked him, “Lord, where are you going?”
Jesus replied, “Where I am going, you cannot follow now, but you will follow later.”

Then we read in John 14:5

5 Thomas said to him, “Lord, we don’t know where you are going, so how can we know the way?”

Now in John 16:5 we read Jesus saying

5 but now I am going to him who sent me. None of you asks me, ‘Where are you going?’

Anybody see what happened there? Did Jesus have no memory, which would lead one to believe he is not god. Or is this really the inerrant word of god?

Arguably the most important story in the New testament, at least to Christians. is the resurrection of Jesus. Again we have discrepancies. For this example I am not going to cite any bible verses and if the reader wants, he or she may. On the third day the women went to the tomb to annoint his body. Mark says they saw a man, Luke says it was two men while Matthew says it was an angel. Again is this an example of god’s inerrant word?

I can go on like this all day, especially with the Old Testament but to keep my promise from the first page, I won’t. I will however leave you with three verses for Christians to ponder.

God is love. – John 4:16

Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous – 1 Corinthians 13:4

You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God – Exodus 20:5

Some further reading you might enjoy

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21 Responses

  1. Just a quick response now — and this is after a first reading of your post (and not having the time to closely go through the scriptures).

    The Bible records history but is not an all inclusive. It’s not like a history book on the Civil War where it tells the whole story of the Civil War. The Bible records bits and pieces of history.

    John 2:1-12 is Jesus’ first recorded miracle (water to wine). Move on down to verse 13, there is a time lapse between verse 12 and 13. We know that because in verse 13, it is now the passover. During that time period, we know Jesus was performing miracles even though they are not recorded. (John 21:25).

    I think I see where you are going with John 5:54 and see your confusion. I never saw this in the light you are looking at it but my very first impression is it is the second sign (even though many miracles had been performed inbetween this one and the first water to wine miracle). It was the second miracle performed by Jesus in Cana of Galilee. It is my first impression because verse 54 says “performed when He had come out of Judea into Galilee.” Those few words explain it as being the second sign in that area, not the second sign all around.

    • Tishrei, that is how I always read it as well… otherwise what would be the point of the specification of location at the end? “…when he came out of Judea into Galilee.” The end of chapter 4 even makes a big deal about him departing Jerusalem and going back to Cana in Galilee – the Galileans were all excited and made a big deal about welcoming him. The ends and beginnings of several of the chapters in John are actually very relevant to the story as they track Jesus’ travel record, basically, letting you know where he is and what people he’s seeing and speaking to.

  2. I recently saw a youtube video pointing out the discrepancy with John 13, 14 and 16. Inerrant? Hahaha.

    I don’t think the bible is meant to be read as a history book by Christians. To many Christians (especially fundamentalists) the bible is where they get their direction in life on what to do. How to think about certain things because it is the “word of God.”

    The question is: if it is truly the word of God and God is perfect in every aspect possible, then why are there so many man made mistakes in the bible?

    Something else to think about…
    “Thou shalt not kill”

    Exodus 22:18 and 20
    18 “Do not allow a sorceress to live.

    20 “Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed.

    Deuteronomy 13:12-18

    12 If you hear it said about one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you to live in 13 that wicked men have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. Destroy it completely, [a] both its people and its livestock. 16 Gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the LORD your God. It is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt. 17 None of those condemned things [b] shall be found in your hands, so that the LORD will turn from his fierce anger; he will show you mercy, have compassion on you, and increase your numbers, as he promised on oath to your forefathers, 18 because you obey the LORD your God, keeping all his commands that I am giving you today and doing what is right in his eyes.

    There are many more I’m sure you know. 🙂

  3. Hi friends

    The Bible as a whole is neither Word from God Allah YHWH nor even Word from the mouth of Jesus. The Gospels are a collection of anonymous books only ascribed to Matthew, Mark, John and Luke to add some credulity to Gospels. Sometimes it quotes from Jesus; but not in the original language Jesus spoke. The Gospel writers never witnessed the event of Crucifixion of Jesus yet they pose as if they were a witness to it. They deserted Jesus and ran away; so they cannot be considered even believers or faithful to Jesus. They were untrustworthy person; and they did not have any inspiration.

    I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

    Thanks

    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

  4. For discussion sake…

    Peter and Thomas obviously utter the words, “Where are you going?’ with a decidedly different drift. As has been well said, Peter’s question was only a selfish exclamation, which would not hear of Jesus’ going away alone. The assertion of Thomas was nothing but an expression of discouragement and dullness of mind. So here Jesus is leaving, He’s going to his sender, means so much to His disciples and yet none of them request one word of this precious information. Put another way, while the disciple focused on mean earthly vanities, Christ intended to elevate their gaze to eternal verities.

    from: http://www.equip.org/hank_speaks_outs/did-jesus-have-a-short-attention-span-

  5. And not that this alters your argument at all, because yes two daughters seduce their father… but you might want to know…
    I’m pretty sure it was Lot that was seduced by his two daughters, not Noah.

  6. Clever/cute use of Matthew by the way 🙂

  7. Hi non believers….

    “These range from the unsaid ‘begats’ from Adam and Eve’s children”

    Yes well it would be very difficult to develop a human race from a single human couple without those begats.

    What we now call incest was not illegal untill much later in time……Also the problems assosiated health wise did not develop while later either…

    “the daughters of Lot getting him drunk and seducing him not once but twice. ”

    Yes thats what we call rape by lots daughters…

    Now maybe you can show me were the bible condones the girls acts….

    It doesn’t,it only tells the story….

    “we find that god’s word wants us to stone rebellious children, kill witches and warlocks,”

    Yes those were Gods laws and who are we to question them….

    I dont claim to understand all of Gods judgements but he is the best one to judge what is right and wrong rather than relying on imperfect man…

    “drive awls through the ears of humans we keep as slaves”

    Sorry can I have the scripture for that? I cant recall that one….(I’m not saying you are lying I just want to check the details)

    A slave in the old testament in most cases was the equivalent of a servant……

    It might be an alien resident given food and shelter in return for services or even a criminal doing penance for a sin commited under the old mosaic law.

    Even Gods people have been referred to as the faithful and discreet slave class.

    Slave has bad connotations because of the slave trade but in bible times it was different…

    “In answer to the objection that some are sure to raise that the Old testament was a different time and place,”

    No! Everything that was written aforetime was for our our instruction…..ROM15:4 and the lawcode was a tutor leading to the Christ now he has arrived we are no longer under that tutor..GAL3:19-25

    I know you dont like preaching but by the sounds of it you need a bible lesson before you criticise it..

    • Exodus 21:6

      Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an awl; and he shall serve him for ever.

      • Taken in context and given that according to Wiki a awl is a piercing tool it seems to be saying that you should pierce the slaves ear….Hardly barbaric given that its done in the name of fashion now.

        If you think its any more ask yourself how he can continue to serve his master afterwards if major injury or death is the result…

      • You mindshowing me where I said major injury or death?

      • The implication was there…..

        So you make a big deal of piercing a slaves ear?

        Either way you take the whole scripture out of context….

      • No that is your assumption. Either I said it or I didn’t. You claim I said it so are you going to show me where?

    • and you might need a lesson in literary criticism.

      ‘What we now call incest was not illegal untill much later in time……’

      illegal? legal? what you’re in effect saying here is that God thought incest was fine but society got together at a later point and decided that it, actually, wasn’t. same story with slaves – god thinks they’re fine. Humans (being apparently smarter) got together later and decided it wasn’t such a hot idea.

      ‘Also the problems assosiated health wise did not develop while later either…’
      – id like to see some material on this.

      ‘Yes those were Gods laws and who are we to question them….
      I dont claim to understand all of Gods judgements but he is the best one to judge what is right and wrong rather than relying on imperfect man…’

      – claiming to ‘not understand’ here is just a cop-out. it says stone the children – simple. no ambiguity, no poetic slight of hand – it’s straight Forward!
      by NOT stoning your children when they get a bit cheeky you are actively IGNORING gods word. so it appears to me that YOU are the best judge – not God. as ‘imperfect’ as we are you have made a perfect judgment in this case!

      “drive awls through the ears of humans we keep as slaves”
      Sorry can I have the scripture for that? I cant recall that one’
      – its in Deuteronomy somewhere,

      ‘Slave has bad connotations because of the slave trade but in bible times it was different…’
      – and you make that comment about them being ‘servants’ more than slaves. well, anybody who is asked to provide a service for no pay IS a slave – that’s the definition. Thomas Jefferson may have been very good to his 200 or so slaves but it doesn’t make the idea on owning people any better. Ownership of people is terrible idea!

      ‘Even Gods people have been referred to as the faithful and discreet slave class’
      – this would explain why you seem to be quite accepting of the idea.
      SO SO SO happy to not count myself among those who – quite happily – label themselves as slaves. what a ghastly Idea!

      ‘No! Everything that was written aforetime was for our our instruction’

      again i must point out that Christs appearance didn’t automatically put a stop to any of these terrible practices – took us another 1800 years to give slavery the boot. so the ‘tutor’ here seems to be an ever evolving sense of morality innate in human beings – regardless of creed. has fork all to do with a (rather unfortunate) execution that took place in ancient history.

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