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The Jesus Myth

I tend to doubt the historicity of Jesus. Why you might ask. To be honest I have not seen any compelling evidence anywhere. Particularly none to mention anywhere outside of the bible. I am well aware of the usual claim concerning the similarity to Mithras and other ancient myths. I don’t really want to address the myth from that side though. Of course I will look at it from outside the bible and as I did concerning the pious fraud in the sermon on the mount I will once again turn to the Jewish Talmud.

I often hear Christians [at least a few] claim that Jesus can be found in the Talmud. If that were true [but it isn’t], it would be another clear case of pious fraud by Christians. There are however a few mentions to a Yehsu or Yeshua in the Talmud but neither are in the correct timeframe to be the Christian Jesus. There is one in particular that I would like to address and that is the story in Sanhedrin 43a about Yeshu ben Pandera. There are two things I would like to mention before I get into the text and they are that this story took place in the 2nd century BCE and the name of Yeshu’s parents. Based on the name his father was Pandera, a Roman soldier. The really interesting part is his mother’s name was Miriam and her occupation was a hairdresser. Often that was used as a euphemism for “women of ill repute” and it is very interesting that her name in Aramaic is Miriam megdela neshaya which anyone can see is almost an exact translation of Mary Magdalene who oddly enough is the patron saint of hairdressers.

Before I get into the story, let me give you the text of Sanhedrin 43a

On the eve of Passover Yeshu was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald went forth and cried, “He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy. Any one who can say anything in his favour, let him come forward and plead on his behalf.” But since nothing was brought forward in his favour he was hanged on the eve of the Passover! – Ulla retorted: Do you suppose that he was one for whom a defence could be made? Was he not a _Mesith_ [enticer], concerning him Scripture says, _Neither shalt though spare, neither shalt thou conceal him?_ With Yeshu however it was different, for he was connected with the government for royalty [i.e., influential]. Our Rabbis taught: Yeshu had five disciples, Matthai, Nakai, Nezer, Buni, and Todah.

Interesting story in it’s own right but immediately some really odd similarities pop out. First thing we see is that Yeshu ben Pandera was hung on a tree on the eve of Passover much like the gospels claim happened 200 years later with Jesus. I am not claiming the stories are exact duplicates but just extremely similar. So similar that all Christians really should be uncomfortable knowing about this. Next similarity is that where Yeshu had someone crying forth for 40 days looking for favorable witnesses, in the Jesus myth that was both condensed into hours and the Romans were witnesses to his innocence while the Jews cried for blood. The 40 days was retained in the story of Jesus temptation in the desert and the crying forth was done by John the baptist before Jesus even started his mythological ministry.

The last thing I want to look at are the names of Yeshu’s disciples. In specific I really want to examine three names. Those are Matthai, Nezer and Buni. It is clear to anyone not blind that Matthai and Matthew are similar names. Nezer isn’t too clear a similarity [I suspect some Christians are squirming uncomfortably right about know]. The similarity isn’t in name but what the Christian’s claim about Jesus. That is that he was a branch or Nazarene. Both are variations of the Hebrew Netzer. Last to examine is the name Buni [I bet lots of Christians are making loud sighs of relief]. In a name ben means son of. As a word, Beni means my son and the Christian myth corrupted that to Jesus being gods son.

I can certainly understand how others can see a similarity with many pagan gods. In the early Church people said the same thing so how can anyone find fault with people for seeing the same now? It’s apparent, at least to me, that the Jesus myth borrowed heavily from other myths that were circulating at the time but a few salient points of the Jesus myth were taken directly from the Talmud. In particular the name Yeshu was corrupted to Yeshua [which was a necessary change since yeshua as a word in Hebrew means salvation], Mary Magdalene is a fiction directly stolen from the Talmud and the names of three disciples are very damning evidence that this was used as a source for the myth.

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9 Responses

  1. Nice blog! I found my way here through a comment that you left on a godbotter’s site. I don’t have the time or determination to study the lies, frauds, and contradictions of Christianity… thankfully, people like you do.

    Keep up the good fight. I will check in often, now that I found the place.

  2. The review of the text of Sanhedrin is hokey and irrelevant. Next!!

  3. The bible has numerous authors, different writings and letters brought together as one book. Numerous sources from different places, and dates, confirming the same thing. So give a good reason they should not considered as historical evidence?

    • For example, evidence say of Julius Caesar would be coins and contemporary witnesses (actual physical items, not just words on a page). There are neither of those things for Jesus yet there are over 150 other “gospels” that weren’t chosen for the canon simply because they didn’t agree with the chosen ones and lots of them didn’t paint the picture the early church wanted. Now if you really think the bible doesn’t contain any contradictions or falsehoods, there is no point discussing anything with you because you are being extremely dishonest.

  4. Ah okay I see. See you are treating Jesus as if he was a great ruler during his life or had and extreme following of people, which would merit such things. But he didn’t.

    i am assuming you do not have coins or great writings about you, other then the words on this page. So I guess you mustn’t really exist. 🙂

    Thats how we get an accurate account of what happened, get a number of sources, see what they say, and then the one that adds up from numerous sources is the probable real account.

    I didn’t say that bro, but do believe that often contradictions found are more our interpretation of the scriptures that could be getting it wrong.

    Peace
    Steven

    • There are no contemporary witnesses to me? C’mon Steve, your just being plain stupid now.

    • As far as our interpreting contradictions wrong, Matthew 1:16 says Jacob is Joseph’s father while Luke 3:23 says Eli was Joseph’s father. Another, 1 Kings 4:26 says Solomon had 40000 stalls while 2 Chronicles 9:25 says he had 4000 stalls. Did I misinterpret either of those 4 verses or are you wrong by saying contradictions are due to our misinterpreting what the bible says?

  5. None that going off what you are saying, will be able to verify you ever lived. If they were to speak or write of you forty or fifty years from now, apparently there reports can not be reliable. like some of the accounts of Jesus you claim are not reliable, because there were not quite written exactly as they were occurring.

    Can you really imagine witnesses of such an event, lets say the murder of Jesus, asking everyone to pause and stop so they could quickly blog about what was going on, or take a phone picture. These were his friends (and enemies), would you pause while your friend was getting murdered to write about it? Get out of your 21st century mindset for a bit and look at it all in context. They were a part of what was going on. They were living it.

    Replying to you is not worth my time because you are not really looking for what is true, but are more interested in making your opinion have the appearance of truth, regardless or whether it is or not.

  6. You didn’t answer the question. Since replying to me is a waste of your time, don’t.

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